Magic Users of Pre-Ikosian Altazia

Before the Cataclysm and the resulting large-scale migration of Ikosian mages to Altazia, the continent was a complex landscape of warring tribes and isolated city states. Well, the human parts of it, anyway. Altazian humans were far less populous and widespread back then, with many areas off-limits to human settlement. The forests and swamps were larger and darker, the territories of yetis and trolls more extensive and entrenched, and the various native spirits often claimed the choicest bits of land for themselves.

Regardless, although this human civilization was in many ways primitive and did not have the magical sophistication of the Ikosians that conquered them, they had developed several magical traditions of their own. Most of these were not anything special to the Ikosians, who had by this point already absorbed magical traditions of many other tribal groups. However, three traditions would prove to be exceptionally novel and influential, changing Ikosian magical tradition forever after. Specifically, the magical traditions of the shifters, the witches and the morlocks. For now, we will consider the witches and the morlocks in more detail.

Witches:

Altazian magical traditions, just like traditions of many other peoples, were heavily connected to their native religions. Only the priesthood was allowed to wield magic openly, and anyone dabbling in magic was condemned as foolish and a danger to society. This idea was not without merit, since such amateurs often made pacts with less-than-friendly spirits to gain their magic, but people often found themselves in need of a mage outside the existing power structure. Priests were only human, after all, and had their grudges and vendettas just as everyone else. Plus, sometimes one needed the sort of help that the local priest just wouldn’t be willing to provide.

Fortunately for such people, there was an alternative. Since most Altazian cultures were very patriarchal, women generally couldn’t become community priests. However, it was inevitable that some would come into possession of magic, either through simple accident of birth or through a mage father who decided to teach them what he knew for one reason or another. Such women were effectively outside the traditional power structure, since they couldn’t be recruited into the priesthood and trying to get rid of them was often unwise. Nobody wanted to make an enemy out of a mage whose powers they could barely understand, and this was doubly true in places like pre-Ikosian Altazia were magical education was rare and one couldn’t simply call the local mage guild for help if they angered the wrong person. Thus, so long as such ‘witches’ didn’t make too much of a nuisance of themselves, they were allowed to live their lives on the edges of their communities and offer their magical services to those who sought them out.

Of course, such a position was a rather precarious one. Many people who came to visit a witch did so because they needed access to shady or illegal magic, and those that didn’t were often desperate and had trouble paying for their services. Enforcing payment was a problem, since witches had considerable issues taking matters to community judicial systems. The priesthood was rarely entirely happy with the arrangement and did their best to work against them in any way they could. Unsurprisingly, this caused witches to acquire very unpleasant reputations. They found it hard to marry, weren’t welcome in polite company and were the first to be suspected when a supernatural crime occurred anywhere near them.

Shunned, yet armed with potent magic and prideful about that fact, witches began to tackle their problems by turning to each other for help. They befriended other witches around them, sharing their magical insights, caring for one another when sick or otherwise disabled and coming to each other’s defense when threatened by outsiders. In time these gatherings were formalized into what are today known as ‘covens’, and developed their own customs and traditions. These covens often ignored tribal lines, as witches came to think of themselves as witches first and members of their community second. They grew insular and secretive, with an attitude towards normal society that was often antagonistic or even outright predatory.

Of course, the covens only worsened the reputation of witches among normal society… but they also made people leery of targeting them. The covens policed their own members, punishing the worst of the excesses, but any attack on one of their members was met with immediate retaliation by the rest of the coven.

Witches dabbled in all sorts of magics, but they were most infamous for their potion making skills. This appears to be a consequence of their highly antagonistic relationship with the local priesthood, which forced them to figure out an alternative source of magical healing. Thus, witches took the rudimentary herbal remedies that were present in virtually every culture in existence and slowly refined them into downright supernatural cures. The initial versions of the potions were quite underwhelming compared to divine healing, and thus of little interest to outside mages, but they were relatively cheap and thus often used by the poorer segments of society. Eventually, witches developed these rudimentary cures and healing potions into ever more powerful versions and then started branching out into non-medical applications such as mind-affecting drugs (such as the infamous love potions), transformation potions and poisons.

In addition to their increasingly refined potion skills, witches were known to be skilled in soul magic – though not soul magic as most modern Altazians would understand it. Witches rarely went for actual animation of corpses, instead using soul magic for enforcing deals with outsiders through magical geas, forging familiar links and deciphering people’s true attitudes by studying their soul auras.

This common usage of soul magic, and the corresponding proliferation of soul perception, had great influence on the witches and their beliefs. Many a witch has obtained soul perception and then had a child, allowing them to observe the process by which souls are created in developing children. In short, the soul of a child seems to ‘bud off’ from the soul of the mother. At some point (quite a while before the actual birth of the child) this soul bud separates from the mother and becomes the property of the baby alone. Although children clearly do inherit things from the father, to anyone observing the process with soul perception, the soul itself seems to originate from the mother alone.

The Ikosians (and most other groups) believe this only means some parts of the process are invisible to humans, even with soul perception. They cite the fact that children can inherit magical abilities from their father as their chief proof that there is more going on beneath the surface. Witches, on the other hand, placed tremendous importance on the fact that a child’s soul seemingly comes from the mother alone. They believed only female children could truly continue their bloodlines. A person’s ‘soul lineage’ originated solely from their female ancestors, and sons are basically spiritual dead ends.

According to ancient Altazians, many witches had a habit of quietly killing off their male offspring because of this belief. It is hard to know how much of that is true, but it does appear some covens had a habit of doing that – especially during hard times when the witch had trouble supporting all of her children. Most witches had a more nuanced philosophy, however, and found plenty of uses for male children – they were often married off to witches from other covens to forge links and cement alliances, or just raised as loyal helpers and workers for the coven.

After the Silence of the Gods, witches rose considerably in prominence. Without divine healing, their potions became the primary source of magical healing and medical care on the continent, which put them in a position of considerable power. Although the breakdown of social order and traditional power balance that followed in the wake of the Silence claimed the lives of many witches, many more had profited immensely in the aftermath. Thus, in many regards, the century between the Silence of the Gods and the coming of the Cataclysm is considered something of a golden age of the witch covens.

Yet, it was precisely this golden age that created the fractures in the covens that Ikosians would exploit when they came to Altazia. Suddenly finding themselves in this new position of increased demand, many covens struggled to maintain direction and discipline. The leadership of the covens had always been very tradition-bound and based heavily on age. They disdained outside ideas and young witches with more ambition than experience. That had been fine in the past, when young witches needed the support of their covens and had nowhere else to go, but as the world around them started to change more in their favor, they found themselves less willing to tolerate the restrictions their elders placed on them.

When the Ikosians started flooding into the continent, they almost immediately started tempting these young, ambitious witches into their service. Having lost their source of divine healing just like everyone else, they appreciated the alternative that their healing potions represented immensely. Unlike the natives, Ikosian mages had no problems with legitimizing these ‘female mages’, giving them positions of authority, marrying them and even granting them the status of nobility in some cases. Though these ‘defectors’ tended to be young and only possessed the very basics of witch potion making and magic… it was enough. Ikosians took those basics and gradually developed them into what is today known as alchemy, eventually far outstripping the witches in terms of sophistication.

As Ikosians finished their conquests and started re-organizing their territories, they began to crack down on unlicensed mages. This included the witches, of course. Many skirmishes and wars were fought, with witches finding themselves on the losing side more often than not. Faced with a choice between fighting a losing battle or assimilating into Ikosian mage communities while they still could, many covens ended up disbanding or fracturing.

The Ikosians stopped hounding the witches once they had destroyed the bulk of the covens, believing that the remnants would quietly fade away in time. In this they miscalculated somewhat, since some covens survived the witch wars and exist even today. However, these covens have been irrevocably changed by the conflicts, and are vastly different from how they were in the past. Modern witches make considerable use of the Ikosian spellcasting system in their daily lives, and often even take inspiration from alchemy to improve their traditional cauldron-based potion making. They still exist on the margins of society, however, due to lingering prejudices among the populace and their own unwillingness to toe the line in regards to magical regulations. Their insistence on having their daughters inherit their surnames and insistence that the child inherits the soul exclusively from the mother do not help, either, as they are things that clash heavily with the prevalent cultural norms across most of Altazia.

Overall, the legacy of the witches is felt keenly across Altazia. Modern society would be almost unrecognizable without the existence of alchemy, and many of the powerful mage families and even Noble Houses draw their roots from ancient witch lineages.

Morlocks:

Although there are many varieties of humans in the world, few were as distinctive as the culture of subterranean humans that once built underground kingdoms beneath Altazia. The morlocks.

The most noticeable things about the morlocks are their white hair and their vivid blue eyes. Ancient records often describe morlock eyes as literally shining in the dark, but modern morlocks do not exhibit such traits – it is likely these were just cases of magical intimidation on the part of the morlocks in question. They do not have any innate supernatural abilities, but most of them see very well in low-light conditions and have excellent hearing. They also do not appear to suffer any health issues from spending prolonged periods of time in total darkness. Contrary to rumors, the sun does not burn them or hurt their eyes – at least not if they’ve grown up on the surface like most modern morlocks.

As one can figure out from the description, morlocks are a breed of humanity specifically adapted for underground existence. At some unknown point in the past, the ancestors of the morlocks colonized the surface layers of Altazia’s Dungeon, battling the creatures living there for living space and occasionally raiding the surface for things they could not acquire in their underground homes. What exactly compelled their ancestors into making that choice is unknown, and the morlocks’ myths are inconsistent and fractured about that point.

Regardless, the morlocks were surprisingly successful in their underground habitat. At their height, just before the Silence of the Gods, they had the highest level of technology and magical sophistication on the continent. They were extremely feared and hated by the other human groups, however, for they had the habit of raiding them for slaves and tribute. Worse, many of the slaves had ghastly fates waiting for them, for the morlocks excelled in blood magic and used it often… and had religious appreciation for cannibalism. They believed that through eating the flesh of their enemies they could steal their powers and that through eating the flesh of their ancestors they could preserve their wisdom.

It is likely that this widespread use of blood magic and belief in the benefits of cannibalism are linked closely together. After all, one could gain another’s powers through blood magic – and indeed, many of the high ranking morlocks were armed with at least one power they had stolen from someone through the use of such – so it’s not so farfetched to believe one could go even further by taking more than just blood…

The Silence of the Gods hit morlock society very hard. Although most known for their blood magic, the truth is that morlock society depended most heavily on divinely-granted powers, just like most human societies. Without the support of their gods, the morlocks found themselves struggling, and started raiding the surface humans more heavily for slaves and sacrifices. Thus, when the Ikosians came to Altazia, one of the first targets the locals pointed out to them was the morlock underground kingdoms.

The Ikosians didn’t have the numbers or the will to wage an underground war on the scale that would be necessary to thoroughly crush the morlocks. But they didn’t have to. Simply by virtue of stopping their surface raids and destroying their most prominent centers of power, they broke the backs of morlock kingdoms and left them vulnerable to assaults by underground creatures. In the end, the surviving morlocks were forced to abandon their underground holdings and journey to the surface in several waves, where they were forced to surrender to the Ikosian authorities and beg for mercy.

The terms they were offered tended to be harsh. The Ikosians found the morlock beliefs and practices odious and blasphemous, and the natives under them hated them to the core and advocated to have them exterminated outright. Thankfully for them, as much as Ikosian authorities expressed disgust at the very idea of their blood magic, plenty of powerful mages found the idea… intriguing.

In the end, the Ikosians decided to give morlocks a chance. As the various morlock groups streamed out of the Dungeon, they were presented with the same or similar deal – they would be forced to convert en masse to the Ikosian faith and scattered throughout the land to speed up assimilation, but they would be allowed to live. Some of the morlock groups were not willing to suffer this wholesale destruction of their culture and returned to the Dungeon, where they descended into the fathomless depths in search of something. They were never heard from again, and are surely dead now.

Though the Ikosians had hoped to quickly assimilate the morlocks by breaking them up and suppressing their culture, the reality proved to be not that simple. Altazian natives wanted nothing to do with the morlocks, and the morlocks themselves often found themselves turning to crime, alcoholism and the like. Today, they still tend to exist on the periphery of society and suffer heavy discrimination.

Their blood magic is also alive and well. Partially because many of the morlocks still retain some of their ancient magical traditions, and partially because many of the Ikosian mages secretly compiled many of their techniques and kept passing them around, and so blood magic refuses to die out.

And, though it is not said in polite company, it is well known that many of the modern Houses and magical bloodlines would not exist without the blood magic acquired from the morlocks…

243 thoughts on “Magic Users of Pre-Ikosian Altazia

  1. Is there any truth to the cannibalistic traditions of the Morlocks (as in does it actually offer strength) or was it just misguided superstitions?

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      • I know, but I’m asking you as the author. Though If you’d rather not reveal the secret, it’s spoilers or you haven’t really decided it’s fine.

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      • Some things in the setting have deliberately been left vague and are up to the reader to decide. Thus, I answer questions about then by pointing out what the inhabitants of the world know as a substitute. It’s not that I am keeping it a secret or haven’t decided, but that I don’t ever intend to decide. It won’t be relevant to the plot of the story and in-setting I want it to be a bit vague.

        People think it’s just a ghastly, barbaric superstition. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.

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  2. Cool stuff! We haven’t see all that much of the non-sacrificial blood magic in the main story despite the awesome permanent bloodline enhancement potential (if it were me I’d be all about that). And I feel we’re just on the edge of seeing what non-necromantic soul magic can do with Zorian finally getting soul perception and being able to actually talk to the lich.

    It will be too bad if these important topics of learning get rushed or scaled back by the search for the keys or the imminent end of the loop. Getting out intact is obviously paramount, but I do feel like Zorian and Zach should have spent more focus and effort figuring out immortality, eternal youth, recovery from death, and permanent magical-enhancements-with-no-downsides.

    There’s always the off chance that they can understand the loop relic’s function and power supply well enough to reenter it for a 2nd book if they need to, but given the legend of the first emperor being unable to reenter the gate, that may be really hard.

    So much to learn, so little time even WITH a timeloop! Can’t wait!

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    • “There’s always the off chance that they can understand the loop relic’s function and power supply well enough to reenter it for a 2nd book if they need to, but given the legend of the first emperor being unable to reenter the gate, that may be really hard.”
      Z&Z are in the Gate before the intended activation period, however. That is why it had so few loops compared to the gate activated when it is intended to. The actual activation time is around the time the Cult is trying to summon the Primordial.

      If they stop the summoning (which triggers an auto abort when it succeeds) I think that gate could be reactivated at the height of the conjunction. The Emperor used the gate at the proper time, and was in there for hundreds of years. I don’t think he would have tried to go in immediately after he came out, because what would be the point? If the Planar conjunction has a month long waxing perion, an apex, and a month long waning period, You might theoretically use it multiple times in that period, but trying if you try a decade after you came out the first time, or a year after, or even a season after, no dice.

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      • It probably needs to store energy during its long 400 years downtime period, so using it early just means that a lot of the energy goes to waste.

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      • What papermache7 said. I’m pretty sure the gate stores up mana during the 400 year downtime, and then is able to activate most efficiently during the planetary alignment. I am pretty sure the gate could theoretically be activated at any time, but used on the wrong day one might only get 10 cycles out of it instead of the thousands of cycles it is normally capable of. The specific time seems to influence efficiency, and the waiting period seems to be for the purpose of recharging.

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  3. The priest in Cyoria mentioned that witches tried to foster bloodlines. This seems sort of incongruous with witches not acknowledging male lineage.
    Kael says that Silverlake is sensitive about her lack of surname. AFAIK we’ve never heard what her surname was before it was forsaken/revoked/whatever. I thought maybe covens were associated with a surname and she lost her name after being banished by a coven, but it doesn’t sound like covens worked like that.
    One thing I found interesting is that Tinami only pursues Zorian’s family tree in the loop where he shows an interest in politics. Not in the loops where he shows innate magical ability or when she expresses romantic interest in him. I could understand her getting excited about his lineage if she wanted to invite him into house Aope (eg through marriage), but I’m not sure why it would be interesting to her if he was just some guy showing a fleeting interest in politics.
    Soul perception couldn’t have been that common among witches before they went mainstream, right? Before the church developed the easy potion, gaining soul perception would have been really difficult without resorting to one of the nasty methods.

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    • They knew very well that men can pass on their magical abilities to children and were perfectly fine with taking advantage of that. Their belief in soul lineage was spiritual/religious, and the fact the child could inherit biological and magical traits from the father didn’t matter to them.

      Tinami just likes family trees in general. She wasn’t doing it because she was considering marrying him, she was doing it because him showing interest in her interests made him somewhat interesting and she likes to research lineages of people she finds interesting. In her own way, she was just being friendly. That’s all there is to it, really.

      Witches were fine with nasty methods. 🙂 There reputation wasn’t pure prejudice, you know? Also, before the Ikosians cleaned up the place a little, it was far easier to find ingredients for soul perception potions. It’s just that most of the plants and animals they used had gone extinct, rare or inaccessible in the modern age.

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      • If that’s the case does it mean that the breeding of hybridized animals is a lucrative business or not. From what I was reading Zorian’s idea of bonding with a grey hunter is not a good idea – due to the bleed through of bad traits. But what if he bred a grey hunter/aranea hybrid. Aranea are social – unlike grey hunters – and it would no doubt be far easier than doing what Sudomir was trying to do by blending souls together from completely different species.

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      • Uh, Grey Hunters and Aranea are completely different species, despite both being spiders… and only the aranea are actually sapient. I’m not sure why you think they’d be able to hybridize. It would be like trying to breed tigers with house cats, since they’re both cats and all.

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      • I actually looked up that example – cats and big cats. There actually is an example of that in a way. The Bengal housecat was developed from selective breeding of hybrids of the Asian leopard cat.

        In regards to the Aranea being sapient, I would think that would be detrimental in the case of bonding. I was thinking along the lines of if Zorian used an Aranean male spider to fertilize a grey hunter somehow. From what I gather of how spiders reproduce he might not even need to take the male with him.

        I suppose the thing that might be an issue is as you said if they are indeed a different species, as opposed to a different genus. I guess it would depend on how many compatible chromosomes the two species had – and if Zorian could capture a grey hunter female without killing it.

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  4. For some reason, I had it in my head that the worship and blessings of the gods were primarily an Ikosian phenomenon. I don’t know how I reached that conclusion, but clearly I was wrong and silly. But now I find myself increasingly curious as to what life under the gods looked like in Altazia- I may need to go back and do some rereading with this new perspective.

    Another thing I didn’t think about but which makes a lot of sense: the absence of alternatives to divine healing. Obviously, since they didn’t need anything else, no one bothered developing other techniques until the gods suddenly went silent. The high difficulty of healing magic can’t have helped with that, either. No wonder it’s such a relatively underdeveloped school of magic.

    I feel like the weirdest thing here is how… uncivilized Altazia seems, compared to Ikosia. It sort of makes sense, though, in that the Sovereign Gate provided a gigantic leap forward by way of allowing a single flawless conquest and unification of their region. Altazia never had that unnatural unification, leaving them to fight it out and fall behind.

    And I won’t lie- all of this has only increased my interest in an eventual article about shifters.

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  5. How difficult is it to craft magic items without some kind of structured magic? Are spell formula possible without structured magic or do you have to rely on magical materials, like the witches, or binding spirits to cast spells for you, like the Bakora?

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    • Pretty much impossible. Spell formula require structured magic, and are basically a permanent version of a structured spell. Though yes, you could also just use inherently magical materials and process them into a magic item – provided you can find something that does what you want or that you know how to alter into desirable forms.

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      • Another thing I wanted to know but forgot to ask, given that souls begin development in the womb, and thus presumably in the egg for certain creatures, how practical would it be to create a soul bond on a creature still in the egg in order to bond a creature normally dangerously likely to dominate your soul, like a grey hunter?

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      • It’s practical. It’s what Briam’s family did with the fire drake, getting it to bond to him while still very young. It’s just that you have to wait for it to grow up before it becomes useful, which could take years, and you still need to teach it not to attack people’s pets and unattended children and whatnot.

        It’s still a major undertaking, is what I’m saying.

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      • Yeah, but how much of a difference does it make if you start the process in the egg? The bond would already be well in place by the time that the creature was capable of making trouble. Is it just getting a little head start compared to bonding a baby or is it enough to make a difference for terrifying monsters like a grey hunter?

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      • I admittedly haven’t considered it too deeply, but I’d say it’s enough to make a difference. But I’d also say it will never make such creatures completely docile. Soul bond or not, they still have their own inborn instincts that have to be handled as they grow up. So yes, bonding with a powerful, dangerous creature like the grey hunter while it’s still in the egg would do wonders to allow you to train it into a useful asset… but you still have one hell of a job in front of you.

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  6. Would I be right in saying that the Morlock Kingdoms tended not to control the surface of the land above them?

    Is there a consensis on how the morlocks got their improved senses?

    How much more land does Ikosian Altazia control than pre-Ikosian?

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    • Yes.

      Just normal development over many generations of underground living.

      I never nailed it down, but a lot more. However, the lands that already had natives before Ikosians came are a lot more populous and developed than those later additions.

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  7. Typos:

    wide-scale/large-scale OR widespread

    come in possession/come into possession

    a mage father that/a mage father who

    out of mage/out of a mage

    what is today known as/what are today known as

    and develop their own/and developed their own

    leery or targeting/leery of targeting

    dabbled into/dabbled in

    version of the potions were/versions of the potions were

    great influence of/great influence on

    insistence of/insistence on

    insistence than/insistence that

    intimidation on part of/intimidation on the part of

    morlocks myths/morlocks’ myths

    one of the first…were the morlock/one of the first…was the morlock

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  8. You gave specific mention of the Aope house that is directly descended from witch lineage. Could you give an example, if there is one, of a Morlock noble house or prominent mage family?

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  9. You may have answered this before, but do you intend to cover why the gods disappeared in the story? The subject has popped up a number of times in the story and worldbuilding posts, and while I understand you can’t give the answer as to why they stopped talking to mortals, I would like to know if you ever intend to answer the question in the story at some point.

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  10. Related to chapter 83. Zorian casually opens a gate to Xlotic but like a few times recently there is no mention of any assistance from afar. Has Zorian tougth himself how to open long distance gates whithout assistance at the destination now? Related,can Zorian open a Bakora gate by himself now?

    Unrelated, do you intend for healing magic to be the only field of magic that Zorian doesn’t invest a iota of energy in, while in the loop and if so, why? It’s just that I find healing magic interesting myself so I wondered.

    I had a question about soulsight also but I guess we will get that answer in the next installment anyway. Thanks for your great work.

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    • I’m pretty sure that he’s sending simulacra all over the place all the time, and it’s just not worth repeatedly mentioning. That’s probably how he’s repeatedly recruiting Xvim, Alanic, Kael, etc, in fact. Having simulacrum-golems lets him split himself up to seven ways, which should cover the essentials quite nicely.

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    • He’s using simulcrums to open the gates, I just didn’t want to mention it all of the time. No, he can’t open Bakora gates by himself yet – he still needs Silent Doorway Adepts for that.

      Healing magic is really complicated and would take a lot of time and commitment to learn. It also doesn’t really help them leave the time loop. However, Zorian does intend to gain some rudimentary knowledge of it once he finds the time. Will he succeed at it? Who knows…

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      • Thanks for your fast reply. One last question, will the reference to “old Majora language” in the beginning of the story ever lead to Zorian learning that language? It was a big clue for a long while but have petered out since.

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    • In absolute numbers? No. I don’t even have estimated for country populations in general.

      Witches make up less than 1% of the population. They are a tiny, tiny minority. Morlocks vary, but no place has more than 5% of them as a percentage of population – they were purposely scattered around the continent.

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      • General population. But it’s a tiny portion of that 1%. Honestly, maybe saying 1% of the mage population wouldn’t be wrong…

        Not sure how numerous you thought the mages were, but they are indeed more common than in many other settings. I have never firmly decided things, but I’m thinking of something like… 3-5% of the general population are mages? Though most of these are mages of very modest skill and not teleporting, fireball-flinging badasses. And it varies from region to region, of course, with places like Cyoria having a lot more mages than that and some of the more rural places having virtually none.

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  11. I am seeing a lot of connections between Morlock traditions and the cult of the dragon below. I feel there might be a connection here.

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  12. Curious about 1 little detail in the latest chapter. Zorian received soul damage from Quatach Ichl and was unable to use magic for 5 months right? How did he explain this to the academy though? Or more specifically, his teachers? I mean at some point in all those lessons, he would be forced to use magic. Be it for shaping exercises with Xvim or combat magic lessons. How then did he explain his inability to use magic? Wouldn’t any of his teachers find it weird for him to refuse or be unable to cast magic?

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    • They’d find it weird, yes, but they wouldn’t press him too hard about it. They would just mark him down on exams and maybe tried to talk to him about it. The academy doesn’t believe it’s job to be forcing students that don’t want to learn to do so. The burden is mostly on the student and their family to make sure the money and time they invested into academy education doesn’t go to waste. In this case, Zorian just cited a mysterious illness for his inability to participate in the magic-related parts of classes.

      Edit: Oh yeah. Zorian wasn’t completely unable to cast any magic for the full five months. He gradually regained his magical abilities as time went by. It was only in the first month that he was completely unable to do anything magical.

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      • So, in months 2-5 he would have been able to impersonate his old self more convincingly than usual 😀

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  13. When Xvim first accepted the timeloop Zorian got training in Mana Sensing / Magesight from him and for the next few chapters that was a big thing that Zorian fretted over repeatedly but we haven’t heard anything about that since. Can Zorian of today perceive a dimensional boundary layer? Does he gain the benefits of full blown mana sensing and how does Zack stand with respect to this?

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    • Yeah, he can. Otherwise he wouldn’t be able to perform the sort of dimensional magic he does today. I just glossed over it as it had little impact on anything.

      Zach had already done this sort of training years before Zorian did. They’re pretty equivalent in this regard.

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      • I am wondering about the sensitivity potential of human mages. Since Grey hunters are the most mana sensitive creatures we have seen so far, I’ll use that as a standard. If 0 is no mana sensitivity at all and grey hunter level sensitivity is a 10 then what is the typical limit of sensitivity for a human mage who has dedicated many years to dilligently training their mana senses? It seems like pre time-loop zorian was a 1 Or just barely a 2 in sensitivity using this scale.

        To restate the question since I wrote it a bit confusingly, compared to a grey hunter in a scale of 0-10 what is the upper limit that can be expected for a human to sense mana?

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      • I have never thought about the issue that precisely, so I can’t answer that. 6-7 if they dedicate their lives to that field? Something like that, but keep in mind those are just numbers I pulled out of nowhere at the moment, not a product of deep thinking.

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  14. Hmm. Is it possible for a person to receive the temporary marker multiple times? Can Z&Z mark a person again after their marker expires? Sorry if you’ve been asked this before.

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  15. I have this wild and crazy idea. What if Z&Z became Hydra and flying sandworm shifters. In theory, if they are holding the control daggers they should be able to keep the creatures from resisting and claim full soul dominance. The main issue would be that the daggers could then control them. But they could solve that by just keeping the daggers with them at all times or hiding the daggers in a pocket dimension somewhere deep underground in a somewhat random location. Of course, this is just a wild idea that might not even be possible for reasons of divine tampering. But it’s an idea that might be worth looking into even if just to find out why it won’t work.

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      • The only way I could see either of them really considering it as an option is to gain immortality. As far as we know, both those creatures are immune to age-related death. It is perhaps not guaranteed that agelessness would be transferred to them, but if they eventually fail to get the eternal life potion from Silverlake, I could see that becoming one alternative option. This is assuming they would even want something such as eternal life.

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    • You can destroy the daggers, actually (they have done so in the past). The problem I see is the same as most others: high odds of their personality changing (unless the dagger can somehow keep their hydra bits docile) and really bad news for any children they have.

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  16. Since it’s pride month… how does Ikosian/Altazian society feel about LGBT people? I think Zach and Zorian once dismissed the possibility of anyone thinking the two of them were a couple, but I’d love a little more detail on that part of their culture. Like… does magic allow same-sex couples to reproduce? Does the Ikosian church condemn homosexuality? Is there transformation magic designed for transgender people?

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    • I didn’t think of it much and it will never come up in the story. Imagine whatever you like in regards to the issue.

      There is no magic that would allow same sex couples to reproduce, no. That would require direct tampering with the body, and that is complicated enough that a branch of magic that deals with it (medical magic) is widely considered to be the hardest one among them all.

      Transformation magic could allow you to transform into other genders easily enough, but transformed women cannot get pregnant and transformed men cannot impregnate anything. Additionally, if you want to rely on magic to keep a transformation on permanently or nearly so, you either need to be either very rich or a transformation mage yourself.

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  17. Earlier in the book it was mentioned that due to Quatach Ichl spell in the first chaper, that Zorian and Zach’s souls were blended together, the the connection was subsequently cut due to the loop resetting. However, this had the result of merging aspects of their soul together. What effects did this have on them?

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  18. I noticed that there is a lot of knowledge floating around about primordials, and I was wondering if one has ever been set free before, and if so how would it have been dealt with.

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  19. I have a quick question about your book. In chapter 26, when Zorian is fighting Red Robe, he mentions that Kael had taught him to shield himself from soul sight. However, later in the book he is never shown using this skill again, even when it would be advantageous to, such as when he is facing the Valomir* and Quatach-Ichl. Is this just an ability that you forgot you gave him, or something more experienced soul mages can counteract?

    *the guy collecting souls to make bombs (I’m not sure if that’s actually his name.)

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    • Sudomir. But anyway…

      I kind of did forget I gave it to him, but it doesn’t matter. Any spell Kael knows is bound to be very low level. Keep in mind that Red Robe himself wasn’t thwarted by those protections for very long, so someone like QI would probably find them laughable. I do note in some chapters that Zach and Zorian are applying soul protection wards on themselves before confronting people, so you can assume they have even more advanced stuff in their arsenal and are using it when appropriate. It just isn’t enough.

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  20. Hello Mr. Author! Love your story. After re-reading the story for the third time, a question popped into my mind and I hope you can answer it. Can you tell us what are the “colossus” of magic in this universe? I was thinking of dragons, litchs, gods. And, are there 100.000-year-old litchs?

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    • Well, gods are no longer an active force in the world. So, the ‘colossi’ of the world would be dragons, things found in deeper parts of the Dungeon, ancient undead (including liches) and immortals (people who have halted their aging process somehow) and particularly talented mages.

      There are no 100.000-year-old liches – the oldest ones are at most 1000 years old.

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      • Thanks for answering my question! Last one. Are Zorian and Zach at that point yet or do they still have miles to go?

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      • Well, Zach definitely is. As for Zorian, that depends on whether this ‘colossi’ status is decided by raw combat power or amount of danger they pose. Zorian is plenty dangerous, but he is not well suited for direct battles with no preparation.

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      • Well, the inhabitants of such depths are largely a mystery for the humans of the setting, since so very few can survive an encounter with one. What I can tell you is that monsters in the Dungeon deeps start being less magical animals and more like something out of Cthulhu Mythos (but without innate madness aura that is often attributed to Lovecraft’s creations), or akin to Dwarf Fortress’s forgotten beasts. Strange, powerful creatures that increasingly challenge common sense as one goes deeper.

        This is probably not too useful for you, but I deliberately kept the contents of the deep Dungeon pretty mysterious. I may post about some of the individual creatures discovered there, though.

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      • Now the deep dungeon just seems even more interesting.

        I think this was asked previously, but I do not remember for certain. Have any dragons managed to become draco-liches? I imagine they would have to use a modified version of the spells due to the difference in shaping ability, but the question is if any have actually accomplished it.

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      • There is no reason why they couldn’t, but I would say no. They have a lot less motivation to do something like that, since they are far less fragile than humans and don’t seem to age. Additionally, they would have to practice necromancy on something to raise their soul magic skills high enough, which would mean raising a lot of weak undead of questionable usefulness – dragons have a lot less use for servants, mindless labor or hordes of expendable soldiers.

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      • I’m curious about these deep dungeon monsters. Are they still biological creatures with their own distinct species and all that? Or are they unique monsters who completely differ from one another? How are they formed? Are they born through sexual reproduction or asexual reproduction?

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      • They are biological creatures, and yes they have their own distinct species. Some of them have only ever been met once, especially ones in the deeper levels of the Dungeon, so they could conceivably be unique… but based on how things work in the upper tunnels, mages assume there are more of their kind down there and they just haven’t stumbled upon them yet.

        No one knows how they’re formed. The Triumvirate Church claims the heart of the world dragon, imprisoned at the center of the planet, continually flakes off pieces of itself that morph into monsters and start ascending upwards to terrorize humanity. As they go higher, they gradually weaker as they distance themselves from the source of their powers.

        Reproduction of these creatures is poorly understood. Only the surface dungeon denizens have been studied to any real extent, and they seem to use sexual reproduction like any other animal. Well, except for things like oozes that seem to asexually divide themselves when big enough. Presumably the deeper denizens also use familiar reproduction methods, but no such act has ever been observed. In fact, even finding juvenile specimens of deeper denizens is a challenge… these creatures seem to live very long and reproduce extremely slowly.

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      • Thanks for the reply! Btw has Z&Z encountered any of these deep dungeon creatures yet? It seems like they have went rather deep into the dungeon at various points in the story.

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    • Por curiosidad, por qué preguntar en español en una historia inglesa? Lo entendería si fuese la lengua del autor, pero en este caso no lo es, y si estás leyendo aquí, presumiblemente tú sí eres capaz de preguntar en inglés.

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      • no entiendo ingles utilizo google traductor.

        en cuanto a preguntar en español supongo que es por que no creo que el autor conteste en realidad

        siendo mas que nada un comentario irrelevante de algo que pensaba

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      • Ahh! En retrospectiva es un tanto obvio. Yo hago lo mismo a veces con japonés o chino, pero la traducción es malísima… Espero que sea mejor de inglés a español 😛

        Igual aún veremos qué tal son los primordiales antes de que se les acabe el tiempo, pero los detalles de los dioses probablemente son vagos a propósito, por darles un halo de misterio.

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  21. How do people breath inside the black rooms, i mean where does the air comes from is there some sort of mechanism that purifies the air or is it like a tree converting carbon dioxide into oxygen, in that case how much do the people from Altazia actually know about chemical composition of the air, and how much mana does it cost to manipulate its properties.

    Still on the black room topic where the light comes from, is it from the room itself or are the users expected to provide their own source of illumination while in the room.

    And last but not least the black rooms function by isolating then from the outside world but by the discriptions we have of then it don’t seem to me like this affects how the gravity works inside the room, does it mean that the room also regulates it’s interior gravity or is the interior affected by the gravity from outside the room.

    thanks in advance for the answers

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    • Both the air cleaning and lighting are artificial in Black Rooms. Air is periodically purified via alteration effect by the room itself; the mana costs are included in the running costs of the room. Altazians know the exact chemical composition of air; the existence of alteration has allow them to isolate and study pretty much all of the common elements, and learning about them is crucial for any alteration specialist. (MoL alteration is basically an expy of FMA Alchemy.)

      The room has in-built lighting made from naturally glowing materials.

      They get gravity from outside the room.

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      • Speaking of black rooms, it would be really cool if after the time loop business is over, Zorian creates a secret dimensional lair for himself like Silverlake has. But with his knowledge and spell formula skills, he could make his lair into a time compression chamber. Or he could make tiny ones that are used to speed up alchemical experiments that might take days or weeks of waiting to see results. Also, growing certain types of special plants or fungi. Learning to make his own black rooms could be extremely useful, also, learning to do the opposite effect would allow him long term storage of items with a short shelf life. If he could ever create a box that not only slows down time but completely freezes time within itself when shut, that would be fantastic. I really hope he gets to that level of mastery.

        I very much want to see a time distortion chamber that slows down time instead of speeding it up.

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  22. I would really like to see the opposite of some of the spells we have seen. The haste spell that lets people speed up should have an opposite spell that can slow down an opponent. Same with the shield or aegis spell, there should be a binding spell that traps an enemy in a shell.

    The simulacrum spell takes a single mind and makes copies of it. There should be a spell that takes multiple minds and merges them. We already know this is possible because cranium rats do it naturally.

    The possibilities are many. Wards that trap and seal what is within instead of being protection from external intrusion.

    Pocket spaces seem to be an exercise in expanding a space. How about a spell to shrink a space? That could serve as a great trap or attack to crush whatever enters a certain space.

    I hope some of these will appear in the story eventually, but even if they don’t I like thinking about what the opposite of a spell would be. Even tools can have opposites. That tool Zorian made to assist divination could have an opposite that makes divination significantly harder within a certain radius.

    Speaking of tools, I hope Zorian managed to make that sword that can cut through spells and mana. It seems like he had interest in making one. He could probably make one even better than the original one he saw on the airship with enough time and effort.

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  23. I have been following this story so long that It will feel strange once it is over.

    I do hope there will be more stories using this same world in the future. Maybe the next story could center around an older Kirielle as the main character as a student in Cyoria with witch training on the side from Silverlake. I think Kirielle is interesting enough as a character that it would be fun reading a story from her perspective.

    Or maybe you could tell the story of someone who does not appear in this story and lives on a different continent. However you do it, I just hope to see more stories told using this beautiful world you have created.

    The story of a young Xvim would also be VERY interesting to me. There is so much we do not know about his history. Why did he chose to specialize in shaping and defense magics? We have some indication that he used to be quite the fighter in his younger years, but we have no idea why or who he was fighting. What life did Xvim live before ending up as the Archmage we have come to know? I think the adventures of Xvim before becoming a teacher at Cyoria would be very exciting to read.

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    • I am considering some kind of continuation after the story is done, but that would be more of a direct continuation of the current plot. I’ve yet to consider one with entirely new characters or ones developing people like Zorian. I’m highly unlikely to write a prequel, though, since I’m not terribly fond of them as a premise.

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      • Ooh, I would love a continuation of the current plot, it just seems to me like it might be difficult to follow this. Such unique events as the sovereign gate opening happens only once every several hundred years. I would struggle to create a storyline as interesting as the one you have already given.

        But you are a better writer than I am. You could probably figure out a plot just as interesting as the Sovereign Gate and make it seem completely reasonable within the world. I am excited for whatever comes next!

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      • To be honest, I wouldn’t even try to create plot as involved as the current one for this hypothetical sequel. It would be more of a portrayal of the results and consequences of the main story – a sort of fourth arc where we see how the various characters are dealing with things, how the setting reacts to everything that had happened, that sort of thing. Not quite slice of life but definitely not as ‘epic’ or long as the current storyline.

        Anyway, it’s still under consideration. I don’t want to invest too much thought in this until the story is done. Don’t count your chickens until they hatch and all that.

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      • On a related note – what name do, let’s say Eldemarians, use for the planet?

        If someone were to write another story in this world, they’d need a name for it…

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      • I never thought up a good name for the planet. That’s part of the reason why I keep calling it MoL-verse.

        I could just slap on some exotic sounding name that doesn’t really mean anything, like I have done for most of the planes in the story, I guess. But I kind of wanted the name to be immediately recognizable without sounding stupid, and that’s kind of hard…

        So yeah, no planet name yet. Still working on it. If you have any ideas, let me know.

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      • What was the name of the world dragon? I imagine most cultures that adhere to that historical narrative would simply call the world by it’s name if it is indeed the corpse of a living being.

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  24. We have seen that Zorian has some competence in all the listed ways of magic except healing but how good is he compared to an average 23 year old mage specialized in the different ways?

    Judging from the reactions of Ilsa, Q-I and others, he is remarkable for the width of his competence but we haven’t really got a good view of the depth of his competence except maybe in dimensionalism where he seems to be very good even by the standards of the acknowledged experts. Has he reached archmage status or is he still just apprentice level albeit in many fields?

    Specifically how does his competence in transformation, battle and soul magic stack up now?
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    Secondary; does this world have magical assassins and magical spy organizations and will we get to know anything about that in story? I feel it would be useful for Zorian to “pick the brain” of such an individual, I’m sure they would have some very unique magical skills. 😉

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    • Zorian would already be considered an archmage as he is right now. He would completely overshadow an average 23 year old specialist in most magical fields, though not all of them. His ability in transformation is pretty elementary and cannot compare to a specialist. His alchemical skills are great but specialized towards production of magical building materials for his golems and spell formula anchors… though such tight specialization isn’t actually unusual among alchemists. His technical ability with combat magic is great and outstrips most combat mages, but his endurance problem would be an obvious flaw that everyone would try to exploit as much as possible when fighting him, if their memories weren’t reset every month. His soul magic is very good but also very incomplete, since he is unwilling to raise corpses and otherwise experiment on people’s souls too much. Real soul magic specialists wouldn’t be impressed with him or accept him as their equal, though they would be wary of his ability to defend against soul magic, which is entirely on par with a specialist like them.

      Sure there is. Any profession that is profitable enough will surely have some mages working in it. Zorian has already done his best to learn what he can about many spy-related fields, such as ward breaking, tracking and so on. However, he is trying to minimize his use of memory reading and thus doesn’t just randomly dig through people’s heads like that, no matter how interesting their knowledge and skills may be. Only cultists, Ibasans and other enemies get such treatment.

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  25. You have said a few times that whenever Zorian purposely enters a fight, he dissipates all his Simulacrums and personally faces the fight. While this choice makes sense considering Time Loop and the fact that (in the beginning) Zorian can not watch the fight through the Simulacrum’s senses (a disadvantage that can be considered void if Zorian succeeds in copying Hydra’s state of mind), would not it be a more sensible strategy to send the Simulacrum into the fight?

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    • If he did that, he would not learn anything from it – he could salvage some of the memories from the simulacrum after the fight, but it wouldn’t be the same as personally being there and experiencing things in person. Additionally, turning that into a habit could end up cultivating a cowardly mindset that would then get transferred to his copies, which would suddenly get a lot more skittish about risking their life for him… but it’s mostly the first issue that motivates Zorian to get personally, not that.

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      • Would Zach do the same? Assuming simulacra don’t use Mana in proportion to the person’s mana reserves, a few simulacra would only slightly impact his Mana regeneration, and at this point it’s pretty obvious that Zach’s attitude towards fighting won’t change from his current head first glee.

        Also an individual fight wouldn’t give him much additional experience at this point.

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      • Zach would be more willing to do this, yes. It’s just that he usually doesn’t see the point, since he’s strong enough to tackle most problems on his own and he cannot coordinate with his simulacrums as effectively as Zorian can.

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      • There is a good reason Zach did not care for the simulcarum spell upon first finding it. It is almost useless to him. There are extremely few situations in which he would actually need to be in two or more places at once. The greatest use Zach would have is in competing against himself in a board game or a game of cards.

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  26. Would Zorian make really good battle staves for Taiven? It seems like an easy way to improve her combat ability, given she would be able to cast spells that would be extremely illegal/rare and also tailored specifically for her fighting style.

    Do you intend to spend any epilogue time on Zorian giving out gifts to the people who have helped him throughout the loop?

    If Zorian takes the time to teach his younger self, could they exchange personal mana? It could speed up the younger Zorian’s progress, and in a few years when he plateus in his reserves they could share mana to alleviate their small reserves problem.

    If the time travelers all leave the loop by walking out (not asking you to confirm if this is how they will do it), would they take the Imperial artifacts with them, and would they still function in the real world? That would resolve the debate as to who gets to keep the palace orb, and just generally be very useful. They could even have two Princesses, and whatever else they want to bring with them in the orb.

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    • Yes, Zorian would make the best battle staves. Still, virtually everyone uses things like that to cast their combat spells, since casting times would be too long otherwise. So this is just common practice, not anything super-amazing. It would just save Taiven a lot of money and let her carry less items for her spellcasting.

      I’ll refrain form answering the rest, but I do agree that it would make perfect sense to take a palace orb crammed to the brim with everything you can think of if you intend to physically walk out of the loop…

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      • A few more random questions that hopefully don’t have spoiler filled answers:

        How many iterations of the loop would the Gate have gone through if it was activated at the proper time instead of a month early? Going by the number of iterations the Guardian said had gone by, it would have been about 85 years if Zach had fully utilized each loop, but it implied that 85 years is very short relative to the norm.

        How big an area would Zach and Zorian be able to enclose in a pocket dimension without any additional help? And how frequently would they be able to make the materials required to accomplish it? Having what are basically bags of holding would be really useful, since the other expanded space things they have made are still limited by carry weight.

        Would non-psychics be able to learn the various memory abilities that Zorian got from the Aranea? It’s been mentioned a few times that non-psychics are able to learn unstructured mental defenses, but are basically unable to use abilities that affect other people. Since the memory packets and other improvements aren’t affecting other people, much more people should be able to learn them correct? I think mages would live the ability to flawlessly memorize anything they choose to, even if it takes a little while to learn.

        Could Zach and Zorian steal a significant portion of the books in Cyoria’s main library? They were able to loot some of the more heavily restricted books during the invasion, but I imagine at some point they would want to be able to spend more time with the books. Or could Zorian cast that book copying spell, store the blueprints in the Orb, and then recreate those books at the beginning of the next loop? Not too useful at this point in the story, but I could see them doing it earlier. If they do end up physically walking out of the loop, I could see Zorian wanting his own personal library as well.

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      • I never specified the number of iterations, but a lot more. A lot more. Enough that the user would probably get bored and leave of their own free will before the end.

        Also no idea. A large room maybe? They could perhaps be able to make one every 2-3 days, but not even their amazing cash reserves would be able to keep up with that kind of pace. Additionally, if they did it near a civilized area, the disturbances they caused every time they make one would start to raise eyebrows as various routine detection sweeps realize there is someone constantly performing high-level divination. In any case, at some point the amount of resources they need would become a bigger problem than their maximum speed at making those things.

        Yes, but it would take them a lot more time than it took Zorian and it would never be as instinctive and easy. Most mages already have excellent memory, by the way – they use mundane methods to exercise that, teaching them to every student as a normal part of their education. Additionally, there are spells that can duplicate the effect of perfect memorization in specific circumstances, which are obviously not nearly as flexible as what Zorian has but don’t take forever for an average mage to learn. Yes, a mage can learn how to perform these feats, but do they really want to spend years honing their non-structured mind magic just to do it? It’s just a non-essential support skill from most people’s perspective, and most people just want to earn money and make their lives easier with their magic.

        Yes they could. It would be fairly easy, but keep in mind that the library has a mind-boggling amount of books in it, so it would take a lot of time to do it. Then again, most of those books are not about magic, so narrowing it down to purely magic-related books, or even just spellbooks would make the task more practical. Of course, narrowing down the selection would take time in of itself, since they have to pick and choose among the books…

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  27. I have a question: how good Zorian is at mind magic now, comparatively speaking? He’s definitely a master by human standards (perhaps even the best alive) but his Open-ness gives him an unfair advantage. It might be better to look at him from aranea standards, except IIRC much of their advanced, self-manipulating magic is probably designed for aranea minds, giving him an unfair disadvantage. I’d assume that even with his disadvantage, he’s at a very high level, if not matriarch level, but it’d be nice to get a confirmation.

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  28. Really enjoying this story, thank you for sharing with us! Per Q&A on fictionpress and given how last chapter ended. Do you have a rough idea of how many more chapters are left and/or % of story left?

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    • It does not. I have installed discord on my computer, but I almost never use it. I find chat to be immensely distracting, because I’m unable to to let a conversation go in the background while I do something else. I waste a lot of time staring at the discord screen, waiting for the responses, and get very frustrated when I realized I wasted several hours on something that could have taken minutes over e-mail. Thus, I don’t think there is a point in me making a discord – I’d almost never visit or use one. Though I have no problem with other people making one and using it to talk about the story and setting, of course.

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      • You could maybe request that the people who run the r/rational discord to make a discussion channel for your story. That seems to be your readerbase anyways, and I don’t think a server dedicated to your story alone would get too much activity in between updates.

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  29. How important is the mana crystal industry in the economy of Altazia? I get the feeling it is somehow similar to the petrolium industry in our world since its used to move trains and other methods of transport(presumably).

    Do the mana crystals pass trough some process of refinement or are the raw materials enough for the task, can they also be used as a component to chemicals and materials like petrolium is for plastic and asphalt?

    We know that people can collect mana crystals in dungeons, but are all of them extracted from such dangerous locations, or are there safe places where they occur naturally?

    Are the biggest companies of mana cristal extraction/refinement privately owned by nobles and merchants or are they state regulated(at least in Eldemar)?

    How do mana crystal reserves impact the result of wars, and is it common for wars to be fought around this sort of resources in recent history?

    How much the Eldemar government interfere in the economy as a whole, and does it have a big impact on workers rights(mages and not-mages) in the country?

    Last but not least, what are Eldemar principal exports.

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    • It’s somewhat important, but not nearly on the level of petroleum. Not every industry depends on it, and often people try to avoid relying on them since they’re so expensive. Trains and other transport are fond of them, though, since that means they can power magic without worrying about the location they’re in. Mana crystals are different from oil in that you need to replenish them less often but they cost more whenever you do – this makes them useful for already expensive projects like trains but less useful for everything else. Additionally, mana crystals were exceedingly rare until recently, so widespread use of them is a bit of a new thing.

      They’re used raw. Sometimes they’re broken up in smaller chunks or worked into specific shapes, but they are still mana and thus cannot really bond with regular matter to form chemical compounds. Just… weird solidified mana.

      There are richer places that have been mostly cleansed of nearby dangers and turned into mines, and this is where most mana crystals on the market come from. This was only achieved relatively recently, when the countries started colonizing the untamed wilderness in Altazia. Before that, the only way to acquire it had been through the same basic method Zorian used.

      Mana crystals are a strategic resource and their mining and distribution is always regulated by the state, but it’s usually private interests that do the job. They just come into agreement with the government about what they can and cannot do. Typically this involves guaranteeing first buy fights of certain amount to the state in question and not doing business with their enemies, but otherwise they’re allowed to do as they wish.

      Mana crystals have only recently became so relatively easy to acquire, so industries related to them are only now starting to develop and understand their true applications. No significant war has been fought over them thus far, but that will probably change as time goes by.

      Eldemar is very protectionist when it comes to their own industry and strategic interests, but they’re mostly a free economy. They can only exert so much control over it, since much of the economy is controlled by the Noble Houses and their interests. Worker rights are a thing, because the Crown likes to present itself as the protector of the common man and it gives them a nice way of striking at the nobility when they piss them off.

      No idea about their exports. Never really thought of it, to be honest.

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  30. I did not expect that. Zach should also be out of the loop at that moment since the sovereign gate compresses all of it’s loops into a fraction of a second in the real world. So if Zach ever actually managed to exit the loop, then he is already waiting to meet up with Zorian.

    Also, what an amazing display of soul mastery by Zorian to do all of that while existing as only a soul. It’s sad he was able to take nothing with him, but it is good that he has such exceptional memory.

    Even without the orb’s memory bank, his enhanced mind works pretty well as an extremely high capacity memory bank. With the way Zorian specializes in both magical item creation and mind magic, I predict he will be the one to invent the first non-divine magical memory banks. No more books! Kazinsky brand memory crystals are the future of magical library technology. He could probably include enchantments that would make them far more secure than any book could be for keeping sensitive information. He could have every major magical library switch to using his crystals and make a fortune.

    Just an idea. I have been playing a lot of avernum, and the vahanati crystal technology has inspired me. If anyone can do it, it is Zorian. Even the way he temporarily existed as a soul being is very much in line with vahanati magic. Zorian is basically a vahanati.

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    • This was copy-pasted from a review i made on the fictionpress site. Thought it might be good to bring the imagining of Zorian’s future industry over to this page.

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    • Note that aranea already have memory storage items. Though their version is only available for use by psychics and has unknown limitations. So it would be less ‘first non-divine’ and more ‘first human’. Of course, in order to really bring this to a human market in a big way you’re proposing Zorian would need to make such thing work for regular people, and that would be very much beyond anything the aranea had done. So maybe it would be ‘first non-divine’, if you look at it from the right angle…

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      • I was definitely thinking something usable by most people, at the very least usable by those who can channel mana into an object, similar to a spell-rod maybe. ‘First human’ memory storage device is probably a better term, since the goal is for it to be accessible but also potentialy password protected. It might be too much to create such a thing for those with no magical ability at all, but making a device usable by those with minor mana manipulation ability should be enough for the product to be successful. If they could be keyed to a bloodline, I could see it becoming extremely popular with some of the noble mage families.

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  31. Back to the subject of Inspiration from Avernum/Exile. I finally got to the point in Avernum3 where I can enter Silverlock’s hut, and I realized she was the inspiration for Silverlake. I started playing the Avernum series after reading that you used them as inspiration, and I think that has made my playing experience even more fun to see all the little bits that were taken from the game and customized for the story. When I first encountered the GIFTS, it was like every single one had the personality of Novelty. Lol. Novelty is basically straight copy-paste out of the game.

    It was also interesting to see the parallels between The Empire and the Ikosian Empire.

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  32. man, i just realized that Zach may have not made it out of the loop. I wouldn’t be surprised if the current iteration ended right after Zorian left, and Zach needs to reassemble the key in order to unbar the gate again. However, without Zorian’s help I can’t see him getting all five at once. Especially now because all the temporary markers are inactive for 6 months so he wont be able to get any help. I can see him getting the Orb, Ring, and Crown(maybe if he gets lucky), but the Staff and Dagger seem beyond him. Basically what im saying is that most of the stuff he needs to do is a two man job. I guess he could recruit Quatach-Ichl, but that would blow up in his face pretty fast. A single mistake with him, and the guys going to put Zach out of commission for the next few loops via soul damage.

    Anyway, im eagerly anticipating the next chapter.

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    • Zorian did not leave the loop through the sovereign gate. Zorian’s exit should have had no effect on the gate. I don’t think we need to worry about Zach. . . hopefully.

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  33. I am slightly dissapointed Z&Z never learned Xvim’s unstructured portal shaping trick. I hope at least one of them learns it. It would be a shame for Xvim to die without passing on some of his cooler magic to the next generation. It seems he does not have a personal disciple or apprentice yet, probably because of his personality. I hope Xvim does not end up dying during the invasion so that he can properly pass on his more unique magics.

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  34. Very curious here. I just saw the story uploaded to the royalroad website. First of all, congratulations! This should probably bring in quite a few more readers and hopefully quite a few more patreon supporters.
    Second, what made you finally decide to do it? I remember you being opposed to the idea.

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    • Thanks. I got asked a lot in PMs about posting there by various people, and I guess all of it eventually moved me to action. I don’t know. My mind mystifies even myself at times. It helps that I feel a little elated I managed to write the story to the point Zorian entered the real world, so the idea of posting all the chapters to a new site feels like less of a chore at the moment. Now that I’ve taken the plunge, a sense of duty will hopefully keep me going as I post a chapter every day.

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      • I look forward to it! Also, still hoping for at least one last world-building post. The details on the different types of undead which we don’t really see in the story have still never been addressed. We know they exist because they make an extremely short appearance during the invasion, but we know almost nothing about these other types of undead. Liches have been explained well, but those more fleshy types are a total mystery.

        You could also pick some other topic to explain. I mostly just love the extra background info to understand the story context. But this one issue of vampires and the like has been bothering me ever since that chapter where Zorian first uses Kael’s soul severing coin.

        I wonder if they are even truly undead or simply have magically mutated with blood magic or some other method to achieve halted aging.

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      • I actually have advanced undead as one of the ‘important’ topics to try to tackle. I just never got around to actually finishing their article and publishing it.

        Fun fact: vampires were supposed to feature more in the story. It was part of the ‘visit Ulquaan Ibasa arc’ that got cut early on due to bringing nothing substantial to the story. They’re truly undead, but I’ll leave the details up to when I finally finish the article in question.

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      • The ‘visit Ulquaan Ibasa’ maybe would have not contributed to the main plot of the story, BUT it would have brought great joy to my heart. That is literally the one thing I regret about this story, that we never got to explore Ulquaan Ibasa. Other readers might not care so much, but I was really hoping for it.

        I have this headcannon that when Zorian gets older, maybe in his 30’s or 40’s, he starts to want greater seclusion because his areas of expertise attract too much unwanted attention. He would become famous for his golems and other magical items, but the added attention would eventually reveal his skill in the less socially acceptable magics to groups that he would rather not deal with.

        His solution is to move to Ulquaan Ibasa and perhaps try and become Quatach Ichl’s formal apprentice because they actually have very compatible personalities. Quatach Ichl would remember him from the many years ago when Zorian was key in thwarting the invasion, but Quatach Ichl does not seem like the type to hold a grudge over such a thing. They would perhaps eventually even become friends, friends with very different political views and philosophies on life, but still friends.

        I imagine future Zorian would be far removed from any political or national allegiance and solely focused on perfecting his craft. He would create golems so vastly superior to everyone else’s products that Ulquaan Ibasa would not only be famous for their undead, and freedom to use soul magic and the like, but the Island nation would become a global center for golem engineering and other magical item crafts. Perhaps he would even spend a few years working with the group that made the airship before ‘retiring’ to Ulquaan Ibasa and start building his own airship designs. I could also see Zorian spending a few years working at the black room reaserch facility.

        He would not become a villain, but he would develop a peaceful working relationship with the Lich.

        Alternatively, he might move to Blantyrre. Maybe he can meet that Lizardman sage again and learn some of the cool lizardman magics unknown to the Altazian continent.

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      • I was super looking forward to an Uquaan Ibasa arc, haha. I thought maybe at some point Z&Z would think, hey, thwarting the invasion is really great, but that doesn’t settle the political instability that will continue to be volatile after the final month and all the mess remaining from that is over. You can kick out the lich in the short term, but there’s an underlying issue there that still needs to be solved. Also, it would have been enormously useful if they found a Bakora Gate there.

        I would absolutely love if you could maybe give a summary about what happened during that cut arc, and at what power level they were at when they attempted it? Or even, what surprised them the most when they were at the island?

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      • Once I post the last chapter, I intend to follow it up with a longish post about what the original plan for the story was and why it changed. Dropped arcs would be explored more, including one that was to happen in Ulquaan Ibasa. So yeah, I know I say this alot and it takes me an eternity to actually do so, but I’ll tackle that in an actual article.

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      • The catch is though that if they do hammer Ulquaan Ibasa then Eldamar is going to continue to grow in power. I know its Zach and Zorian’s country but they are not exactly shining beacons of morality either. In fact the whole situation with Ulquaan Ibasa came about not because of any true moral high ground but because Eldamar was looking to expand into Sulamnon.

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      • The bigger surprise is that apparently, all the veneer of politics is for show, because the world can in actuality be run by powerful mages who can shape events however they like, with no meaningful checks except for the powerful mages of other countries. Z&Z are in contact with a whole lot of people and steal a whole lot of information in the latest chapter, and set about on an incredibly ambitious and expensive magical project — and collectively Altazia has no way to prevent any of it. Every country on the continent should be in an uproar, but in every way that matters, they’re impotent.

        Hence, Eldemar’s focus on shoving talented and influential kids into its magical academies. The outcome of the next splinter war will be determined by mages, not countries, and possibly on a personal level. UI is lucky in that their top lich is really nationalistic, but even Quatach Ichl can be bought with a crown.

        …At least, that was true right up until the Bakora Gates came into play. If other countries can invade you with massive armies at any time, and everyone is in the same position, that puts war off for a long while while everyone scrambles to protect themselves against sudden surprise invasions. This is why it’s important to find the keys to gates in every country, if your goal is to prolong peace. It even equalizes smaller countries a little against larger countries, since larger countries would be forced to spend more resources to protect their greater number of gates.

        Anyway, just some of my speculations. QI is right in that you can’t put off war forever, and his study of Bakora Gates may even point to him having considered a similar delaying strategy– or I mean, sudden overwhelming conquest, sure, whatever. It’ll be interesting, in any case, to see the post-invasion fallout in the story!

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    • Not int he story proper, no. It’s too late for that now, it would look very out of place for the plot to go to such a place all of a sudden. As for the possible sequel, that is still uncertain and not even in planning stages. Anything is possible.

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      • Just here to add an extra bit of peer presure concerning the sequel. As evidenced by your recent Royal Road posting, enough sincere begging can eventually sway your actions. So here I am adding one more beg for the sequel.

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  35. I have been re-reading and just noticed in chapter 39 where Zorian mentions how personal mana batteries are impossible. . . But we know they are because of the crown. We also know that the magic in divine artifacts, while extremely difficult to accomplish by human mages, can in fact be duplicated even if it is to a lesser degree. We already saw it done with the orb duplicate.

    If there is any mage who might actually be able to duplicate the magic of the crown, it’s Zorian. He has a specialty and talent in spell formula, and he has had more hands-on experience studying divine artifacts than most experts ever get to have. He also knows how to deal with Quatach Ichl, and could probably strike an agreement with the Lich to study the crown under supervision and to give Quatach Ichl the first working model of his mana battery, should he ever manage to succeed.

    I could definitely see Quatach Ichl agreeing to this, as he is someone who loves magic and unraveling it’s mysteries. Unraveling the secret of mana battery creation is probably something He has already tried to do in the past but failed. He is not as naturally gifted in spell formula as Zorian is, and he knows this. If Zorian could display his expertise somehow to gain confidence of his capabilities, I bet he could negotiate terms they both would be happy with. This would be a very long term project over several years, but it would be so worth it. Definitely something that would have to be saved for a sequel.

    Ok, my rambling is over. I just need to let it out sometimes as this story gets my mind spinning with the possibilities.

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    • I’m not sure Zorian would work with QI outside the loop unless there was a good reason to do so and I don’t think magical research would be a good enough reason.

      That being said I could see him stealing the crown and studying it with Nora Boole and other people he might trust secretly.

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      • How do you think stealing the crown is even an option?? That is almost guaranteed death. He has no reliable way of consistently escaaping QI long term, and he has no way of meaningfully harming Quatach Ichl. Cooperation or avoidance are his only real options in the real world. I find it amazing that you think stealing the crown is feasable.

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      • I always figured that once they stole the crown QI was managing to track the crown through some kind of Divine Energy divination. If they put the crown one another continent I doubt QI could track them.

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      • Uhh, no. Did you forget that they only met with Quatach Ichl because he tracked them down and cornered them WHILE THEY WERE TRYING TO EVADE DETECTION. This was before they got the crown. If Quatach Ichl wants to find someone, consider them found. The only effective escape is probably to constantly teleport and gate to random locations for the rest of their lives.

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      • Yes, but they still had the crown in their possession when he tracked them down – I think Zach was wearing it. My point is that if QI is tracking the crown through its dimensional signature then he won’t be able to track them if they are not carrying it around.

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      • They definitely did not have the crown. Go re-read chapter 80. His was when they were still plotting on how to effectively get the sulrothum ring. They had just begun discussion with the group about how to strategize getting the crown from the lich, but they had not yet enacted a plan.

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      • They were sitting in a Cafe in Cyoria for that episode and using their real names – not exactly covert ops. Also, it was pretty clear that Silverlake was the one who led QI to them in that instance. If this time they concealed their identities, transformed their physical appearance and left the crown after obtaining it in some remote location in Koth I don’t think QI would be able to track them down so easily – especially if they fouled up the water further by anonymously hiring a bunch of mercs.

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  36. I have a question about Loop Silverlake and her familiar. So we know that having a familiar is a type of soul bond. Since loop Silverlake is now out of the time loop what happens to her soul? Did her familiar leave to or was the soul bond severed? If that’s the case does that mean she has taken soul damage?

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  37. In the latest chapter you mentioned how daunting of a task it is for magicians to reach the deep seas, even for undead creatures, as such i’ve gotten really curious about it. When talking about dungeons i believe you mentioned that the deeper one goes the more dangerous and outworldlly the monsters become. does it also apply to monster on the deep oceans outside natural dungeons? If so is it only on mana well spots or the entirety of the deep seas are overtaken by such creatures?

    Still on the topic of mana concentration, does it become denser the deeper you go, or only the deeper you go in mana wells? If the mana concentration in one place is too big will it attract monsters, or are the monsters born because there is a big mana concentration( did the chicken come first or was it the egg), is it an evolution process of already existing creatures, or they can just appear out of nothing. Can too dense mana be poisonous to Humans, and does it make it harder to explore the depths of the world.

    granted that the deep seas are relativelly hard to explore, can it be assumed there are great riches and rare materials yet unttaped by the surface people. Are there any citties or settlements completelly submerged… i mean still inhabited by sapients.

    On another topic, in the earlly chapters(22) zorian mention a city of mages that taken advantage of the planar alignment to teleport itself from miasina to the coast of altasia during the cataclysm, assuming the gods have already gone silent by that point, how did the humans acomplish such a feat, i mean i was under the impression they lelported the building and infraestructure with then, was it just the population of the city? was it even the entire popullation? was dimensionalism somehow more common in miasina.

    In chapter 15 Zorian refuses to call the cataclysm as such, he says it wasn’t a natural ocurrence beyond ikosian controll, and reffers to it as a desertification process, he also calls ikosians from th past short sighted assholes. In the post about a brief history of ikosian civilization, you mention the cause of the cataclysm was unclear, wether it was natural occurence, divine punishment or caused by a imperial ritual gone wrong. So Zorian to firm belief the desertification was a manmade disaster, is it a popular hipothesis among younger people, is it an opinion aquired through his background as comming from a small village in the countryside(and thus weary of the government), is it a consensus among the intelectuals like climate change in the real world, was it changed in a not so clearcut issue overtime as you wrote the story and the setting expanded?

    Thank you for your time reading and replying

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    • 1. Only on mana well spots. The sea itself is not progressively filled with monsters as one goes deeper, but underwater places with rich ambient mana will have higher concentrations of magical creatures.

      2. Ambient mana attracts monsters, it does not spawn them out of nothing. Denser mana is not poisonous to humans, it’s just that it allows progressively more powerful creatures to exist in the area, and these creatures then tend to make the humans dead.

      3. Much like in our world, the depths of the sea are almost completely unexplored. There probably are valuable riches down there, but they are hard to find and reach and thus play limited role in human societies. There are no human submerged settlements; there are non-human sapients, but their level of development is low. Making tools is hard underwater.

      4. They gathered every mage they could and cast a massive ritual spell, tailored specifically for the favorable circumstances of the planar alignment. There were a lot of powerful displaced mages at that point, which made it somewhat easy to assemble a group of dimensionalism capable experts. Plus, these people drew roots from the pre-Cataclysm Xlotic society, which was quite populous and could support a great deal of experts. Anyway, they basically abandoned the outlying portions of the city and turned the city center into a massive teleportation platform when they tend teleported to the southern tip of Altazia, in what is today Tetra. Building were teleported, though not all of them, as was the population itself.

      5. It is considered common wisdom among the commoners of Altazia that the Cataclysm was caused by the mages rather than being a natural phenomenon. They have no real proof of this, it’s just something they assume and what seems self-evident to them. They view the scholarly discussions surrounding the event as simply the mages covering their own asses and refusing to accept the blame. Zorian, being from commoner background, has inherited these prejudices/assumptions and did not question them much. By the end of the time loop, he has developed a better grasp on the mysteries involved with that event and would be less quick to judge the matter settled these days.

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  38. Is there a reason why Z&Z didn’t even try to find the Immortal Eleven? Considering the fact that they maybe are very powerful mages, it seems strange that Z&Z didn’t even try to find them.

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    • I think they probably made some degree of effort while Zorian was looking for magic teachers, but the effort to productivity ratio was too low and they gave up quickly. It would not really be worth mentioning. The immortal eleven are a reclusive bunch of hermits.

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      • How do we know this?? I don’t remember them being mentioned except in passing when describing the dragon Zach killed.

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      • Yeah, it was a question someone asked in a previous worldbuilding post.

        Speaking of which, you will gain much by reading all the worldbuilding posts and the entire comment sections. The readers tend to make some very enlightening comments and ask some very good questions. The comment discussions are perhaps just as valuable as the worldbuilding posts themselves in my opinion. Nothing that one would need to know to enjoy the story, but plenty of interesting details that help one become better immersed in the world of MOL.

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      • I am going to probably spend some time copying all the answers the author has posted in them and collate it somehow. Would be really useful for these discussions.

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  39. 1. Considering that the activation of the Sovereign Gate used to be a regular occurrence, does that mean that there still exist previous loopers, who learned a method of immortality during the time they spent in the gate. If so, is Quatach-Ichl one of these people. Considering the fact that he instantly killed himself upon discovering that Zach and Zorian were loopers, it seems plausible that he knew at least a little of what was going on. Also, Quatach-Ichl, himself stated that he intended to live forever, and a person who’s willing to detonate his soul when he learned he is in a time loop, seems a little suspect.

    2. Does Zorian know how the crown works, and is he able to recreate it, like they did the orb?

    3. Was Zorian’s soul damaged upon his exit from the loop, and does he still retain the abilities he got from the blood magic he performed?

    4. How would somebody become an undead? You mentioned that learning the simulcrum spell, is the half way point of becoming a lich, what’s the other half?

    5. Does the philosophers stone exist in this story?

    6. How did Silverlake become immortal?

    7. Have we ever seen Quatach-Ichl use a simulcrum?

    8. Is the Emperor of Eldemar a powerful mage, or just a politician. Has there ever been an emperor who became immortal during his reign.

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    • 1. Who knows if any previous looper survives to present day? It’s one of those questions I never intend to answer, either in the story or in worldbuilding articles. Anyway, Quatach-Ichl clearly isn’t a previous looper. He would figure things out way easier if he was. As for him being willing to just kill himself like that, that’s just a manifestation of his iron will and decisiveness. Since he had already accepted that he is nothing but a copy by that point, him destroying himself to hurt Zach and Zorian is no different from him sacrificing one of his simulacrums to hurt his enemies. (Edit: I just realized answering this may be a spoiler for some people and that I probably shouldn’t have answered this. Whoops. I usually ignore these kinds of questions but it slipped my mind while I was writing. I’ll leave it up, but try not to ask me questions like this in the future. At least until the story is finished, anyway.)

      2. No he doesn’t. The orb is just a fancy pocket dimension, while the crown is something that has no counterpart in mortal magic.

      3. Read next chapter to find out.

      4. It involves creating a fancy magical brain to think with, dying, and then anchoring your soul to either your old body or an artificial vessel.

      5. No.

      6. She made a potion and drank it. It’s not known by anyone how alchemists make these, and it is strongly suspected they are individualized for each person.

      7. Yes. During one of the treasury raids he made some to keep an eye on Zach and Zorian.

      8. King of Eldemar. He’s a mage, but not a powerful one. Pretty average, all things considered. He’s mostly a politician. No, there hasn’t been any immortal emperors/kings. There has been undead ones, though, and they made their subjects and family members very unhappy and rebellious. It is likely that any immortal ruler would have to remain childless if they wanted to keep their throne on a long-term basis.

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      • 2. It has no counterpart in mortal magic YET!
        I have faith that with enough concentrated effort and a bit of luck (and a nudge from an all powerful author), Zorian could unlock the secrets of the crown and develop an entirely new field of magic, mana storage! It probably requires intimate understanding of a soul’s mana pool and uses spell formula to create an artificial one.

        I don’t know how long it would take, probably years of work, but I am holding onto hope that Zorian can do it. I hope that is how he leaves his name in history, as the artificer who invented the attuned mana battery.

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      • In regards to Mana storage and items there is one thing I don’t understand. Its obviously possible to create mobile warding schemes, some of the larger Golem’s have already been described as such, so why hasn’t Zorian been creating some kind of Personal Protection Device and empowering it with Magic Crystals. I know such a defence could not be perfect – since you tend to tailor wards to a situation – but doing so would seem to free up a lot of available mana for Zorian, not to mention that automated defences that can all be turned on with a thought would be far more powerful than a set of ad hoc wards that he seems to currently use.

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      • Because wards like that cannot be turned on and off as one pleases. One can lessen the wards to reduce the mana drain, but never fully turn them off. They’re always on or else the magic is gone entirely. Meaning Zorian would be walking about with a warding field constantly on around him, which would be easily detectable and very eye-catching. Many places also have existing wards that would clash with this sort of pre-existing ones, which would limit Zorian in where he can go. It would be like going everywhere in full plate armor.

        Not that the idea doesn’t have any merit, mind you, but it’s a bit complex to actually execute it.

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      • Note to self – Zorian should make himself a Golem exosuit for combat!! LOL
        His Simulacrums are now tougher than he is.

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      • Zorian the MAGICAL GUNDAM FIGHTER?!?! Yes, I approve. Zorian could totally do this. It would be a lot of trial and error, but he has the necessary skills to give him a significant advantage in building something like this.

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      • Why not store the wards inside an easily deploy-able pocket dimension that he keeps on himself at all time?

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      • It’s a viable idea, it’s just that Zorian prefers to use golems over static wards, and would be more likely to spend his time and money on them rather than ward stones. Partially because golems can serve as mobile wardstones if necessary, and are harder to destroy. So he kind of was using that idea in the end. It’s just that this is pretty expensive and lengthy solution, so he only makes it when a situation is critical enough to warrant it. Perhaps in the future he might decide carrying a wardstone in this manner this is cheaper/better and go along with it instead.

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  40. The access to the spiritual plains is going to change a lot of things in the next chapter. The planned demon summoning wave will probably take place, and if properly informed, the church might manage to convince several angels to help in the fight. Spear of Resolve will also have usable results in her future prediction, as will that priestess lady who is an expert in future divination. A lot of very significant changes will be happening that will make the next few chapters feel extra fresh and new. Zach and Zorian may have even forgotten about the plot to summon an army of demons because of being so used to them not being there.

    Quatach Ichl was also worried angels might find out about the primordial plot. If Zorian is quick enough to alert Alanic and Batak, the Angels might get involved early ad totally change the course of the entire month quite dramatically. There are so many new variables to play with now!!

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    • I don’t actually think the Angels will get involved unless the Primordial is released. We know they operate under restrictions and I’m guessing them sending Zach to the Sovereign Gate to sort things out is around the limit of what they can do unless Panaxeth breaks free.

      On the topic of what Zach and Zorian should do after exiting the time loop we have been having a debate here https://www.reddit.com/r/motheroflearning/comments/9v72fu/what_would_be_your_plan_of_attack_once_you_exited/

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      • What makes you think the angels had anything to do with Zach entering the sovereign gate? I don’t see any indication of that. All I see is that they gave some advice to the Sulrothum, but that is it. And with the memory wipe issue, we really don’t yet have any way to confirm hiw Zach got in this situation.

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      • In fairness Panaxeth is not a reliable source – but I still believe him when he said that it was the angels.

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      • It might be, but the whole thing feels too scetchy to be angels. I struggle to understand what Angels might gain from placing Zach in the loop instead of one of their own followers. It just doesn’t make sense to me. But maybe the next few chapters will reveal some surprises.

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      • Note that this is speculation on the nature of the angels on my part but QI mentioned that the reason that people don’t normally think of Angel’s as massively powerful is that they operate under a bunch of restrictions – presumably from the gods.
        As for why they chose Zach and not “one of their own followers” my answer is two part. Firstly how do we know Zach is not one of their own. The presence of the divine scaffolding that increases his mana reserves tells me that even if he is not aware of it the Noveda’s have some sort of relationship with them. I know they talked about the possibility of it being a bloodline talent but that was all before we heard from QI about the gift he received.
        Secondly objectively Zach is a useful chess piece. He has no one who really cares about him (family etc), has large mana reserves and is a high noble. If you were looking for a chess piece that could be easily manipulated and recruited then Zach is it – and the fact that he won’t let anyone check his mind suggests to me that there might be more than just mental commands there. For instance, have we considered that Zach made a deal with the Angels to enter the Sovereign Gate but that as a protective measure they made him forget the details other than to stop the invasion and get stronger? The thing after all that still bugs me is HOW Red Robe entered the gate. It doesn’t make sense that he just originated in the time loop. Getting a temp marker and then somehow getting close enough to QI to persuade him to modify the marker and successfully doing so all inside a single month just seems to out there to be correct. That being the case we need to ask the question of how Red Robe entered the SG.

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  41. This is just a somewhat random comment/question about the severing whip spell that Kyron likes to use and Zorian is now using for himself. Having the whip glow is of obvious use so that one can be careful not to accidentally kill themselves or an ally. But lets imagine the user has very highly developed mana sensing abilities. In this case, the user would not need the whip to glow and could make it completely invisible, only sensing it through mana senses. This would both increase efficiency and make the spell far more deadly and useful in a real combat situation. It would not make a difference to a grey hunter or perhaps even a sufficiently mana-sensitive mage like Xvim or Quatach Ichl, but it would make a big difference against opponents with poor mana sense asside from simply making the spell cheaper to cast and easier to sustain for long periods

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    • If I was going to ask a question it probably would have been why zorian had not perfectly mastered the spell, but the obvious answer would be that he had not had enough time practicing it.

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    • If I recall correctly the only spells that could turn invisible were force i.e. Kinetic Energy Spells. While its possible that Zorian has just not played with the spell enough to master is could it also be that the spell is not purely a force spell. Maybe the severing is the result of added effects from Alteration (since Alteration is basically Alchemy from FMA it must have a deconstruction stage) or maybe the whip is a force spell that encloses a plasma core.

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      • What you are describing is pointless complexity. There is no need for the spell to be anything other than severing force like his destructo disc spell.

        An alteration effect of dissintegration would not make the whip more effective, just more costly. Plasma would also not make the whip any better, just more expensive to cast. As mana-stingy as Zorian is, he would not waste his time learning an inneficient spell that cost more than necessary.

        I am very confident the spell is just very creatively constructed slicing force with maybe a bit of light emmision added in as an indicator of where the whip is, but such a visibility indicator should be easy to remove.

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      • If the whip is just a force construct then why did it take Zorian so long to learn it and cast it then?

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      • QQ, the visibility indicator of the whip can be a side effect in the same way that it is in the magical missiles, and therefore may not be so easy to take away.

        Dark Prophet, most likely Zorian learned to cast it well quickly, the thing is that learning how to effectively use in combat a whip so sharp that the slightest mistake can render you, or an ally, less a limb is much more difficult and time-consuming.

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